Carbon Neutral Fuel

Kinja'd!!! "MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s" (mastermario)
06/13/2018 at 15:04 • Filed to: None

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Everyone is on the electric car bandwagon and while I think it probably will represent a good chunk of the future I doubt it will have a monopoly. But I’ve always thought (at least for the past 10ish years) that synthetic fuel would be a game changer. Imagine coming up with a process that pulls CO2 out of the air and combines it with hydrogen to recreate the hydrocarbon chains that make up our fuel. We’d still keep our ICEs and the infrastructure in place already would still work. This is probably the first news on anything on that front that I’ve heard in a while.

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I don’t know if petroleum companies are secretly investing in this or not, but it would make sense for them as a means to hedge against the finite resource that is “natural” petroleum. But, progress seems to be slow, though not insurmountable as this article seems to suggest. I know any process like this will be energy intensive, but combine a plant like this with a renewable power plant where it can use excess capacity during off peak hours and you have a good way to stay carbon neutral.

It’s still prohibitively expensive but at some point technology will bring that cost down enough that it will be sustainable from a business sense too.


DISCUSSION (14)


Kinja'd!!! vondon302 > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:25

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Everything old becomes new again. Different processes though.

https://www.quora.com/If-Nazi-Germany-had-the-technology-to-make-synthetic-fuel-why-isnt-that-being-used-today


Kinja'd!!! RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:28

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It would be pretty cool if something like this could be instituted on a large scale for cheap...I am all for electric cars if they can work out the range issues and length-of-charging-time issues, but I would miss the character of internal combustion powerplants...


Kinja'd!!! RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:28

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It would be pretty cool if something like this could be instituted on a large scale for cheap...I am all for electric cars if they can work out the range issues and length-of-charging-time issues, but I would miss the character of internal combustion powerplants...


Kinja'd!!! nermal > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:28

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This seems similar to “making” fuel for hydrogen powered cars. Sounds great in practice, but when you look at the total cost / energy expense required, it’s just not feasible.


Kinja'd!!! Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:29

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Or we could just continue with renewables and electrics and move on with our lives...


Kinja'd!!! MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > nermal
06/13/2018 at 15:32

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it’s just not feasible yet

FTFY. It’s all dependent on technology though isn’t it. Not too long ago electric cars weren’t feasible either, but look how far battery tech has come in the last 20 years.


Kinja'd!!! Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
06/13/2018 at 15:33

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Also, we have this plant called corn that already does this for us.

Ethanol


Kinja'd!!! MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
06/13/2018 at 15:34

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It is technically a renewable energy. Who knows if it will ever happen, but I wouldn’t be surprise if it does. Liquid fuel works great for moving enormous amounts of energy from one container to another, which is where batteries fall short currently.


Kinja'd!!! MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > vondon302
06/13/2018 at 15:38

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It’s been around a long time, but like everything, technology (or some new process) can always change the balance


Kinja'd!!! MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
06/13/2018 at 15:39

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But using your food supply to make fuel is stupid and we don’t have near enough arable land to even grow enough corn to completely replace fossil fuels


Kinja'd!!! Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:39

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Ethanol, from corn, is literally what you’re asking for.


Kinja'd!!! BigBlock440 > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 15:53

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Audi announced they were working on something like that a few years ago, don’t know how the diesel scandal changed things though.


Kinja'd!!! MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > BigBlock440
06/13/2018 at 15:57

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Yea, I think that’s the last I had seen any news on this sort of thing until now.


Kinja'd!!! nermal > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
06/13/2018 at 18:18

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Agreed, EVs today are light years ahead of those from 20 yrs ago. Adoption levels are growing rapidly as well, and will surge once Model 3 production is up to speed.

I think hydrogen fuel power is something that will get left behind, because one of the key selling points to it was the relative similarity between a gasoline engine and a hydrogen one. Due to the rise in EVs, that isn’t needed.

The biggest challenge facing EVs (besides cost) is “refuelling” speed and availability. You can put 300 miles worth of gasoline into a car in less than 10 minutes. In time, EVs will catch up.